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Re: Guins vs. UIC
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2015, 12:04:07 PM »
Excellent analysis by Let's Talk.  I vote that we make Let's talk the AD (not kidding either).

OOC scheduling has been misguided under Strollo in both FB and MBB.  Recruitment, the budget, and fan interest would all improve with a more robust OOC schedule.  Scalzo wrote about Kent ST paying significant $$ for FB to an FCS school.
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Re: Guins vs. UIC
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2015, 04:36:52 PM »
Good stuff Let's talk. A couple of things to consider though. Local financial support and required public awareness stuff is tied to the number of home games. Also, national accounts (i.e. Coke or Pepsi) also have game stipulations. That is part of how we obtained the new video boards. Not that we cannot increase the number of money games, but we need to be careful. Also. the MVC has two participants advancing in the Men's NCAA tourney on a regular basis. Not that long ago they had 4 selections. Stupid move by the NCAA or not, it is far, far , far more revenue that the Horizon is going to get and share with their members.

These are also schools that draw far more from the general fund (for athletic endeavors) than YSU. We are a unionized state-school, that is not going to allow us to dig too deep into funds earmarked for academics. Also, SIU in the largest school in the state of Illinois. In fact, the largest school in all I-AA/FCS ...about 3-times our size. They even have their own medical school and hospital system. We cannot even come close to the money (donor base) they can draw from. I would also point out that MSU (I could have the wrong MVC school here) has made the final in the women's NCAA. Look how much our women's attendance has increased this year because of the increase in level of play. We would be selling out Beeghly if the Lady Pens went that far. Additionally, for both men's and women's basketball in the MVC ...most all of the teams can and do attract big-6 conference teams as visitors to their arenas ...something that can guarantee or eliminate the need for an away money game ...and also something YSU will never see in my lifetime. It took Butler year's to get get one power-team home game in the Horizon. Now they have many each season, but had to move to the former Big East to get it.

Not being a downer here ...simply stating a few colors that are not on our pallete.
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Re: Guins vs. UIC
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2015, 07:18:14 PM »
Local financial support for games against Kenyon, Oberlin, Geneva, Thiel....etc. Why not play less home games, but play teams that will actually draw 2,000-3,000 people? Then do a better job of promoting/marketing, especially to students, and you might have 3,500-4,000. There was a time in the 80's when students actually went to games. It was a time when there was ONE dorm on campus(Kilcawley), and that dorm was almost all athletes, with one floor of International Students and students in NEOUCOM. Even during my 5 seasons in school, 86-91, when YSU basketball went off the deep end, we still had a decent amount of students attend games. Crowds were not great, but not bad either. Yes, there were non D1 opponents, but part of that was due to YSU being Independent from 88-89 until joining the Mid-Con. YSU also played OU, CMU, CSU, Toledo, Akron and other similar schools at home. One year, Northwestern played to Beeghly. Another year, Air Force.

With the added money games, that would give YSU money to pay a higher guarantee for decent OOC opponents. Or, how about home-home with 3 or 4 teams from the MAC? YSU already does home-home with RMU and KENT. So, add 3-4 other schools into the mix. Schools with alums in the Ytown area and that people consider legitimate D1 programs. Could also try and get home-home with Duquesne, JMU, Delaware, Canisius, EKU, UNI, Marshall, WKU, Hofstra, LaSalle, Richmond

To me, it is about WANTING TOO. For a school in the HL, the OOC schedule ought to be about getting the team ready for the HL, trying to play 3-4 "money games" to help increase the revenue stream, and then focus on getting the best teams possible to play at Beeghly. People will go to see schools with which they are familiar, or that are known for playing quality basketball. And, that means more people seeing the signage and other advertising in Beeghly. More people getting the programs, and other things with adds. Also makes for an all around better experience, which is a positive for the players and fans.

If YSU were finishing in the top 3-4 in the HL on a regular basis, wining 18-20+ games per year, making deep runs in the HL Tournament, that would be one thing. But, for YSU to win ONE game in the HL Tournament is an accomplishment. Having a winning record typically requires counting the wins over non D1 teams. So, the current model is NOT WORKING. And, the excuses get old. People who live close enough to attend games show their disapproval of the way the program is run by staying home from games. And, it's hard to blame them. Tickets are not cheap, parking is $5. The games can be watched live on the internet.

People are tired of EXCUSES. And, the people tired of EXCUSES get tired of hearing they are not "real fans", or "we don't need you" and other things that are said to the people who have gotten to a point of saying ENOUGH. There has to be a WANT to be a quality mid-major program. YSU can me a quality mid-major program. It will take some creativity and doing things differently, but it is possible. Think about this for a minute. Slocum has the same top 2 assistant coaches he had his 1st year. How many schools would allow the HC to keep the same assistant coaches, when having the lack of success YSU has had in basketball? Would that be allowed at YSU in football? The answer is NO. So, why is it allowed in men's basketball?

And, in fairness to Slocum, I do not know that there is 100% commitment from the school as a whole(this goes higher than Ron Strollo) to doing the things it takes to have a quality mid-major program. Ron Strollo needs approval from people higher up than himself to increase the budget for basketball. I know for a fact from talking to Ron that he would like to increase the budget. That he wants men's basketball to be successful. I also know he has run into difficulties when going to the Board of Trustees, and also with Cynthia Anderson. And, this limits his ability to try and attract a new HC. Slocum runs a clean program. Kids graduate. Not a ton of issues of the floor. YSU has had some of their best seasons since Mike Rice with Slocum. The team plays hard. And, at least 3-4 years ago, President Anderson was very happy with Slocum, as were the Board of Trustees. That pretty much ties the hands of the AD.

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Re: Guins vs. UIC
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2015, 10:55:53 AM »

And, in fairness to Slocum, I do not know that there is 100% commitment from the school as a whole(this goes higher than Ron Strollo) to doing the things it takes to have a quality mid-major program. Ron Strollo needs approval from people higher up than himself to increase the budget for basketball. I know for a fact from talking to Ron that he would like to increase the budget. That he wants men's basketball to be successful. I also know he has run into difficulties when going to the Board of Trustees, and also with Cynthia Anderson. And, this limits his ability to try and attract a new HC. Slocum runs a clean program. Kids graduate. Not a ton of issues of the floor. YSU has had some of their best seasons since Mike Rice with Slocum. The team plays hard. And, at least 3-4 years ago, President Anderson was very happy with Slocum, as were the Board of Trustees. That pretty much ties the hands of the AD.

YSU sports have seen a lot of success since then. Strollo can't increase the athletic budget due to university finances generally, but I think he has a lot more clout now on personnel matters given how well some of his other choices have turned out. Besides, if the MBB team lays an egg in Horizon competition (which is my prediction), I wouldn't be surprised if Tressel and the BOT start clamoring for a change. Strollo seems to be able to find good people who can live with the constraints of the YSU budget.

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Re: Guins vs. UIC
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2015, 04:28:20 PM »
Yes and I like the way Strollo handles things with coaches performance. He respects the coach, allows them to lay out a plan for maybe 1, 2 or 3 years, depending on how much time is left in the contract. If Strollo (and I am sure other members of the staff and committees) agree with the plan ...he holds the coach accountable.

Wolf agreed to the post-season and did not make it in the first-term, but Strollo offered the extension to get that large recruiting class installed. Heacock told Strollo he would change to the spread and see the post-season in two-years. He had the injury issue, took an extra year. He told Strollo if he could not get the play-off in one-more year he was resign. He did not make it.

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« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2015, 09:03:04 PM »
Spiderlegs,

I guess time will tell as to whether the bar is raised as far as expectations with men's basketball. Fortunately, I live in Vegas, so I also have UNLV. Thing is, they have a highly hyped coach who played for Tark, and was supposed to return UNLV to the Tark days. So far, made NCAA Tournament in each of 1st 2 years, but were 1 and done. Last year, no tournament of any kind, as they turned down invites to CIT and CBI. This year, 5 highly touted frosh, a Senior transfer from University of San Francisco, and as of now 9-5. Four of the losses were to Top 25 teams, but they also lost the first MWC game at Wyoming. Alot of people out here who can;t wait for UNLV to pull the plug on this HC. He brings in loads of talent, but gameday coaching, having team prepared for games and putting together guys that mesh has been a major problem. Kind of like at YSU with football. Good enough to have winning records and have alot of people saying give him more time, but this is his 4th year.

Football at UNLV is awful. I seriously believe they would have had a losing record in the MFVC this past year. They lost to FCS teams in 11 and 12, and this year beat Northern Colorado 13-12.

Alot of the "Olympic Sports" at UNLV are very good. UNLV faces similar challenges to YSU when it comes to money. That is one reason they are taking a chance on the former HC at Bishop Gorman High School as the new football coach. He brings the backing of Fertitta family, who own Station Casino's and UFC. And, the previous coach won 15 games in 5 years, with 7 coming in 2013.

Tying this back into YSU men's basketball, I asked Ron Strollo in an e-mail to consider having YSU play here at UNLV in basketball. They likely pay a decent guarantee for basketball, and usually play at least 2-3 teams from back East. This year it was Morehead State and Albany. Last year, UT-Martin and Sacred Heart. Year before that, UNI and Canisius. And, while out here, I figured try to schedule a game at Southern Utah or Northern Arizona in a home-home series. Those 2 schools are within a few hours of Vegas. Depending on $$$$ and how it works out scheduling wise, could even play UNLV and then ASU, USC, UCLA or a 2nd "money game" while out this way. There are also other schools YSU might be able to work out a home-home with besides S. Utah and NAU. Again, just trying to think a bit outside the box and shake up the drab same old, same old.

Another thing I asked him to consider is having YSU play in one of the early season tournaments that has 2 games in Vegas. There are 3 of them. All have the first 2 games at campus sites, then 2 games in Vegas. Two of the tournaments play in Vegas the week of Thanksgiving, and the other is week of Christmas. UWM played in one of the tournaments this year. Morehead State played both a game at UNLV and also one of the tournaments this season.

There are also alot of good high school basketball players in Vegas. Akron has a kid from Bishop Gorman who starts this year at guard, and he is a true frosh. I mention his because I know he is at Akron, doing very well. Noah Robotham. Has started all 14 games. Averaging 9.5 ppg, 2.9 assists and 2.6 rebounds.. 41% from field, 37% on 3pt shots and 73% at the line. He is playing 30 minutes per game. So, kids from here will go to Ohio to play basketball and go to school. Also had offers from Milwaukee, Idaho, Idaho State, NAU, San Jose State and UT-Martin. Has me asking the question, does YSU have a coach assigned to recruit this part of the country? Akron and UWM were after this kid, so it's a fair question to ask.

Then you have the Juco's in Arizona and Cali, plus the high school players in LA and Phoenix, each of which is 4-5 hours by car. Also think it would be a great trip for the players, fans who travel, YSU alums who live out this way. Also nice to tell a recruit he will be playing in Vegas, let alone getting to spend 1-2 days, or maybe 3-4 if playing here in a tournament. Especially at that time of year.

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Re: Guins vs. UIC
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2015, 09:51:10 PM »
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Re: Guins vs. UIC
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2015, 05:43:54 PM »
The Wednesday MBB game between YSU and UWM will be interesting.  UWM has lost six straight, including all three HL games thus far.  None of the HL games were close...they lost to CSU by 27....the closest was a 16 point margin to UWGB.  They are dead last in the HL in record...offense..steals...and assists.

If YSU does lose.....Jerry would have to win 4/11 of the remaining HL games to reach 700 wins.....I don't see that happening.
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