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Re: South Dakota
« Reply #150 on: October 07, 2017, 07:42:42 PM »
This was a game we could of won.  Their QB was the best one we saw all season and it seemed like we had no answer to what they were doing at times.  Mayes has played enough where the other teams no what he can and can’t do.  He doesn’t see the field well and at times holds the ball too long and struggles to throw the mid to deep throws.  So if I was the coach.  Uptempo the offense go to 3 step drops, slants and screen game. You  change your system to what you have.  That is what the good coaches do.  We can’t come out next week with the same coloring book and crayons.  I have a question why isn’t Coates with his 4.3 speed not gameplanned a few plays.  Just a thought.  Defense got exposed today I felt some poor tackling and spacing by the db’s which is fixable.  Not sure what baby bo’s gameplan to stop their qb was.  He gets a D this week.  Monty gets a D+.  Horrible play calls on the next to last drive. If u was the HC I would say what the hell were u thinking.
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« Reply #151 on: October 07, 2017, 08:07:14 PM »
My only criticism was the 3 man rush and dropping everyone in coverage.  Wanted to see pressure on the SD Qb. Coaches know more than I do but the SD qb might be the best in the MVFC.

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« Reply #152 on: October 07, 2017, 08:36:59 PM »
We will not beat any team that can stop the run. QB stinks out loud.

How on earth do we have to go to a WR to even field 3 QB in the first place?

We have a dozen TE and 2 QB

LOL, next week will be fun.

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« Reply #153 on: October 07, 2017, 09:10:08 PM »
I don't see how any defense can stop the pass if the defenders don't know where the ball is. YSU's safetys and defensive backs were on receivers like white on rice, But only after the receivers caught the ball did they turn to see where it was!

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« Reply #154 on: October 07, 2017, 09:42:58 PM »
I don't see how any defense can stop the pass if the defenders don't know where the ball is. YSU's safetys and defensive backs were on receivers like white on rice, But only after the receivers caught the ball did they turn to see where it was!

Yep. That drives me nuts every game.

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« Reply #155 on: October 07, 2017, 09:58:33 PM »
Worried about Reed's injury. He's our only true great pass rusher. Chapman and Louigene are decent. Bo and Carl will get the defense fixed. I mean we were playing the #6 team at their place and held them to their lowest offensive output of the year. Offensively I'm worried. If teams can stuff our run and make Monty and Mays try and beat you, it can rarely be done.

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Re: South Dakota
« Reply #156 on: October 08, 2017, 12:18:08 AM »
Worried about Reed's injury. He's our only true great pass rusher. Chapman and Louigene are decent. Bo and Carl will get the defense fixed. I mean we were playing the #6 team at their place and held them to their lowest offensive output of the year. Offensively I'm worried. If teams can stuff our run and make Monty and Mays try and beat you, it can rarely be done.

Geez and if you stop USD's QB anyone can beat them as well. LOL No one has done that and no one has stopped our run game. You look for Monty slams at any cost. You are playing with your back-up QB, deal with it. Stop looking for a record lap in the pool when you can barely keep your head above water. If anyone is going to stop our runner, it is coming to Stambaugh this week.

PS: Carl will not fix this defense, he does not know it is broken. Wrong players and defense for this conference. However, if we get to the post-season, our D will do alright.

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« Reply #157 on: October 08, 2017, 09:19:46 AM »
You rip Carl just like I rip Monty. Agree to disagree I guess. You were just praising Carl earlier in the year, but you will never say a a bad word about your boy, who when the game is tight and close, he puckers up and craps the bed as a play caller. Sad.....

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« Reply #158 on: October 08, 2017, 11:52:13 AM »
We will not beat any team that can stop the run. QB stinks out loud.

How on earth do we have to go to a WR to even field 3 QB in the first place?

We have a dozen TE and 2 QB

LOL, next week will be fun.

As I have post before, our QB plays have not been good.
Mays has trouble throwing a mid-long range ball. Monty probably had to shelve 25% of the Pass plays.
For short - mid passes, he was ok if the receivers were sitting stationary (tight ends and backs) or a wideout crossing across the middle.
His problems were with the passes to receivers or RB who were moving away from him. There were at least 2-3 passes missed Turn on the right side moving upfield. He threw the ball behind him. There were a few misses to the TE or WR running the routes away from him. He missed them too.

Wells could throw these passes where he could not.

SDU knew that and rolled the dice at our last drive but stacking the box. We were too conservative and ran 3 plays up the middle resulting in a punt.

You just could not give an NFL calibre QB 8-10 seconds to find a receiver and expected him not finding one.
We must have a better game plan next week if Wells still could not play. The coaches get paid for this and they need to figure it out.

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« Reply #159 on: October 08, 2017, 01:40:21 PM »
There is no sugarcoating the fact that our defense played its worse game in some time. I’m confident in Bo and Carl to get it straightened out. As bad as we played on both sides of the ball, we nearly pulled out a road win over what will likely be a top 5/10 team for much of the season IF their QB can somehow remain healthy. USD is a very solid team that will make noise in the Valley this year.

Bottom line though is we must play much much better to stand any shot of winning next week. As you may recall last years NDSU game played out very similar to the SDSU game with us falling behind early and never being able to materialize much the rest of the way. We need to come out strong and win the battle in the trenches. We lost the battle yesterday and lost the game. The week before we completely dominated SDSU in the battle in the trenches and we were victorious.

Big big big game this Saturday! Weather looks unreal for mid October with a high in the upper 70s!!!

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« Reply #160 on: October 08, 2017, 03:09:45 PM »
Montgomery's play calling cost us this game.  They ran the ball into a box stacked with 9 people. You just cannot do that.  it is retarded.  Then you stop the f'ing clock by passimg it on 3rd down.  No tempo changes on offense and little to no play action passing on a blitzing defense.  The play calling was retarded.  Play to win not for OT.  Grow some balls Montgomery.

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Re: South Dakota
« Reply #161 on: October 08, 2017, 04:09:23 PM »
You rip Carl just like I rip Monty. Agree to disagree I guess. You were just praising Carl earlier in the year, but you will never say a a bad word about your boy, who when the game is tight and close, he puckers up and craps the bed as a play caller. Sad.....

No I rip anyone that needs it. This defense did not even resemble the defense of the last 4 games of last year and last week. It resembled the defense that we had most of last year & the year prior ...simply small and fast, no tackling skills. No ability to see what the opposing QB is doing or where the ball is in play. I also ripped Monty for his last drive, it was weak and cost us a chance at this game. I also do not like our TB situation. The difference between you and I is that you think anyone with the name Tressel or Pelini is a god. I am not so blind. This conference requires tough defenses that can take over a game and we only had that against Wofford last year ....that was a one dimensional offense. When Carl does something good (in my mind) I will praise him. Giving up over 500-yards, 368 of which was in the air at over 17-yards per attempt is a disgrace.

BTW Power, Monty's play-calling cost us a "chance" at this game ...I agree. However, the game should not have come down to one drive, Monty did not call the fake on the 43, but if he did then I will blame him there as well. Our defense could not stop USD when the Coyotes had zero timeouts remaining. We let one player account for more than 440-yards of offense against us. 368-passing and 73-rushing ....that is also a disgrace. I am also realist, Mays had just under 400-yards of offense and produced 28-points, which is not too bad and should win most any game. We should not have punted 5-times, but it is far from an awful number. Again my frustration with coach M, like you, was the ignorance of player/play rotation that seemed to be working. USD had not stopped it for the last 2 series.
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« Reply #162 on: October 08, 2017, 05:35:51 PM »
At least on the bright side we probably have a better chance of beating NDSU now. Got to think our weaknesses were exposed and the players and coaches will come at the Bison with a little chip on their shoulder.

As much as no one likes to admit it , the SD game was kind of a trap game, sure they were highly ranked and we definitely respected them, but SDSU and NDSU are always THE big games. I'm thinking we may have been looking past the Yotes.

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« Reply #163 on: October 08, 2017, 06:21:37 PM »
You rip Carl just like I rip Monty. Agree to disagree I guess. You were just praising Carl earlier in the year, but you will never say a a bad word about your boy, who when the game is tight and close, he puckers up and craps the bed as a play caller. Sad.....

No I rip anyone that needs it. This defense did not even resemble the defense of the last 4 games of last year and last week. It resembled the defense that we had most of last year & the year prior ...simply small and fast, no tackling skills. No ability to see what the opposing QB is doing or where the ball is in play. I also ripped Monty for his last drive, it was weak and cost us a chance at this game. I also do not like our TB situation. The difference between you and I is that you think anyone with the name Tressel or Pelini is a god. I am not so blind. This conference requires tough defenses that can take over a game and we only had that against Wofford last year ....that was a one dimensional offense. When Carl does something good (in my mind) I will praise him. Giving up over 500-yards, 368 of which was in the air at over 17-yards per attempt is a disgrace.

BTW Power, Monty's play-calling cost us a "chance" at this game ...I agree. However, the game should not have come down to one drive, Monty did not call the fake on the 43, but if he did then I will blame him there as well. Our defense could not stop USD when the Coyotes had zero timeouts remaining. We let one player account for more than 440-yards of offense against us. 368-passing and 73-rushing ....that is also a disgrace. I am also realist, Mays had just under 400-yards of offense and produced 28-points, which is not too bad and should win most any game. We should not have punted 5-times, but it is far from an awful number. Again my frustration with coach M, like you, was the ignorance of player/play rotation that seemed to be working. USD had not stopped it for the last 2 series.


I don't disagree that our secondary got exposed, but there were also several no calls for holding the DL. 

We have a weakness back there becuase of youth but our weakness aside, we are better than most teams.  Their QB was exceptional and the best we've faced all year.  have to give them credit.

regardless the game was 0-0 with about 2 min left.  So however we got there it was essentially an even game.  Montgomery needed to be aggressive there and be pussed out.
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« Reply #164 on: October 08, 2017, 06:34:24 PM »
You rip Carl just like I rip Monty. Agree to disagree I guess. You were just praising Carl earlier in the year, but you will never say a a bad word about your boy, who when the game is tight and close, he puckers up and craps the bed as a play caller. Sad.....

No I rip anyone that needs it. This defense did not even resemble the defense of the last 4 games of last year and last week. It resembled the defense that we had most of last year & the year prior ...simply small and fast, no tackling skills. No ability to see what the opposing QB is doing or where the ball is in play. I also ripped Monty for his last drive, it was weak and cost us a chance at this game. I also do not like our TB situation. The difference between you and I is that you think anyone with the name Tressel or Pelini is a god. I am not so blind. This conference requires tough defenses that can take over a game and we only had that against Wofford last year ....that was a one dimensional offense. When Carl does something good (in my mind) I will praise him. Giving up over 500-yards, 368 of which was in the air at over 17-yards per attempt is a disgrace.

BTW Power, Monty's play-calling cost us a "chance" at this game ...I agree. However, the game should not have come down to one drive, Monty did not call the fake on the 43, but if he did then I will blame him there as well. Our defense could not stop USD when the Coyotes had zero timeouts remaining. We let one player account for more than 440-yards of offense against us. 368-passing and 73-rushing ....that is also a disgrace. I am also realist, Mays had just under 400-yards of offense and produced 28-points, which is not too bad and should win most any game. We should not have punted 5-times, but it is far from an awful number. Again my frustration with coach M, like you, was the ignorance of player/play rotation that seemed to be working. USD had not stopped it for the last 2 series.


I don't disagree that our secondary got exposed, but there were also several no calls for holding the DL. 

We have a weakness back there becuase of youth but our weakness aside, we are better than most teams.  Their QB was exceptional and the best we've faced all year.  have to give them credit.

regardless the game was 0-0 with about 2 min left.  So however we got there it was essentially an even game.  Montgomery needed to be aggressive there and be pussed out.

I agree with everything you both said. With a few exceptions.
I don’t blame the secondary. I blame the LB’s. They are too slow in coverage and we’re exposed and left the middle of the field wide open. They also need to stop diving at ankles and learn to wrap up.
I hear what your saying about Montgomery pussing out. But with our OL we should have been able to run for one first down and gone to overtime. You have to remember we had the ball to start that drive inside our own 10. If he would have called play action and Mays “who couldn’t hit a RB open all day in the flat” throws a INT. You would have crucified him for not playing for overtime.
Just to go on record I am not a Montgomery fan but he was in a no win situation because of we’re we got the ball and thought we could grind out a first down.