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Committee Agonizes Over Final Picks
« on: November 16, 2011, 12:31:17 PM »
In the FCS Huddle: Committee agonizes over final picks
By Craig Haley, FCS Executive Director

Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network) - We probably wouldn't be true red-blooded American sports fans if we didn't believe we could do a better job than the people who select our NCAA playoff fields.

It's a natural reaction to think some unknown committee locked in a room somewhere doesn't know our favorite team like we do and is out to harm it.

Brace yourself. The committee of 11 athletic directors who will select the 20- team FCS field this weekend is a knowledgeable group that will be thorough and agonize over every last pick. They're as passionate as us. And, no, they aren't out to harm our favorite team.

If you don't think the committee members are just like us, consider the first year that Jim O'Day, this year's chair for a second straight year, was a member of the committee, in 2008.

An AD isn't allowed to be in the room when the merits of his school's team are being discussed. The Appalachian State AD was sent from the room for, as O'Day remembers, about 20 seconds.

When O'Day, Montana's AD, stepped into the hallway, he was out there for about an hour. He was sweating bullets the way we would.

"I wondered if they had forgotten me," he looks back with a laugh.

The fun of talking FCS will turn more serious late Saturday/early Sunday in the final hours that lead up to the 20-team field being announced Sunday (10 a.m. ET, ESPNU).

The committee will begin building their field late Saturday afternoon in Indianapolis, basically have the bracket put together with 10 automatic bids to conference champions and 10 at-large selections after midnight and then analyze the field again Sunday morning to make certain they are comfortable with the selections.

The final couple at-large selections are always the hardest because for each team that gets in the field, three or four will be left bitterly disappointed by their near miss. Last year's final team in, North Dakota State, validated itself by winning two playoff games and then taking eventual national champion Eastern Washington to overtime in the quarterfinals.

"We get together and then we start going through the teams that are eligible," O'Day explained the process. "First you take out your 10 automatics and we list them up on the board. And then we start to list the others that are potential at-large. And that at-large (list) takes some time.

"We go through that process and then we vote and we vote and we vote and we vote. It's a computerized vote. If your team is one of the contenders, then you're knocked out of the voting. They blank you out so that you don't have that opportunity. There's time in between to talk about the different teams and the different conferences and the different sections of the country.

"We look at everything that's available to us. We look at the polls, we look at the rankings, the ratings, whatever might be available to us. The one valuable thing about sitting together in the room is you have 10 (other) people who are from various parts of the country who might know some things that don't necessarily show on paper. For example, in a certain game, did they miss a key player, did they miss their quarterback, did they miss a running back?"

With the playoffs in its second season at 20 teams, after expanding from 16, and likely heading to 24 teams in the future, one of the issues facing the committee is whether it should start to give at-large bids to teams whose win total is below seven against Division I competition. The committee has never done that before.

But perennially strong programs such as Delaware, Wofford and Liberty and perhaps a surging Portland State squad that could move to 8-3 on Saturday face having playoff-worthy resumes that don't include seven D-I wins.

"We're going to have to look at that this year. There's a number of quality teams out there that that might be the case," O'Day said.

"I think we look at that seven-win plateau as a benchmark. It helps us work the field a little bit. It's not one that we absolutely have to hang out hats on. But it is one we give a great deal of respect for as far as criteria. But there certainly can be instances, especially this year when you've got so many teams that are right in that area."

The committee selects the 20 teams before they determine host sites. The five seeded teams are guaranteed to host games through the semifinals unless they play a higher-seeded team. The games involving two non-seeded teams are based on financial guarantees from potential hosts, quality of facility, attendance history and potential and team performance.

Eight teams will be play in the first round on Nov. 26, with 12 earning byes to the second round, which will be held on Dec. 3. The quarterfinals will be played Dec. 9 and 10, the semifinals Dec. 16 and 17 and the championship game will return to Pizza Hut Park in Frisco, Texas, on Jan. 7.


STATS THAT STAND OUT

Where's the blocking in the two conferences for historically black colleges, the MEAC and the SWAC? The top six players in the FCS in tackles for loss are from those two conferences.

The top three rushers in the official NCAA statistics - Indiana State's Shakir Bell, Stony Brook's Miguel Maysonet and Towson's Terrance West - are all averaging at least seven yards per carry. But none of the leaders can match Donovan Johnson's 8.6-yard average at Wofford (88 carries for 756 yards).

Davidson sophomore quarterback Jonathan Carkhuff is averaging 50.1 pass attempts per game.

Morehead State is fourth in the FCS in total offense (459.9 ypg), but has a 2-8 record.

Jonathan Grimes' 7,668 career all-purpose yards at William & Mary is over 2,600 more than any other FCS player.

Jackson State has the fourth-worst turnover margin in the FCS (minus-1.50 per game), but is 8-2.

Of course, Jackson State opponents are completing only 41 percent of their passes (125 of 305).

Bucknell senior cornerback Bryce Robertson has 12 interceptions with one game remaining.

Robertson clearly hasn't faced Cal Poly and North Dakota State. Those two teams have thrown one interception each this season.

Jacksonville senior quarterback Josh McGregor heads into his final game with 115 career touchdowns. The next closest has 66 (Eastern Washington's Bo Levi Mitchell, who has done it in only two seasons).

In 10 games, Idaho State has allowed 64 sacks, 22 more than any other team.

At least Idaho State has senior punter David Harrington. He is averaging 48.8 yards on 51 punts.

Illinois State has converted 14 of 17 fourth downs into first downs (82.4 percent).


FCS AWARDS

Watch lists for some of the FCS national awards were updated this week. The awards page can be found at http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page= cfoot2/fcsawards/index.aspx


FCS PLAYOFF PROJECTION

In the FCS Huddle has been projecting the potential FCS playoff field every week since the preseason. The projections, updated again Wednesday, are an expectation of Sunday's field 20-team following Week 12 action, and not based off current records or rankings. The projection is found at http://www.sportsnetwork.com/fcs/FCS_Bracket.pdf


ON-LINE CHAT FOR PLAYOFFS

Want to discuss the FCS playoff field that will be announced Sunday?

Join fellow In the FCS Huddle writer Sean Shapiro and I for a live chat starting at 9:45 a.m. We will answer questions, take your comments and serve as the ultimate selection show companion.

Visit the FCS section of www.SportsNetwork.com and stay connected throughout the selection show on ESPNU.


AROUND THE NATION

The last time a conference had five playoff teams was CAA Football in 2008. The CAA (Towson, Maine, Old Dominion, New Hampshire and James Madison, or perhaps Delaware if JMU falls out of the picture) and Missouri Valley Football Conference (North Dakota State, Northern Iowa, Illinois State, Indiana State and Youngstown State) have some hope for five representatives ... If Towson wins at Rhode Island or Maine loses to at New Hampshire on Saturday, then Towson (8-2, 6-1) will earn the CAA's automatic bid to the playoffs. The Tigers own wins over Maine, Old Dominion and New Hampshire, which all remain alive for at least a share of the conference title ... It surely won't happen, but the Ohio Valley Conference could end in a six-way tie for the title between Tennessee Tech, Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State, UT Martin, Tennessee State and Murray State, all at 5-3 in conference play. If that happens, the automatic bid to the playoffs would be determined by a blind drawing ... Top-ranked Montana State (9-1) will try to beat No. 7 Montana (8-2) in back-to-back years for the first time since 2002 and '03. The Big Sky Conference believes this is the first-ever meeting when both teams are ranked in the Top 7 ... Ron McBride, 72, will coach his final game when he leads Weber State to Portland State, which hopes to improve its playoff resume ... It can be argued that Week 12's biggest game is Liberty at Stony Brook because the winner will secure the Big South championship and go the FCS playoffs for the first time, while the loser's strong season likely will be over. Both are 7-3 overall and 5-0 in conference play after Stony Brook opened the season 0-3 and Liberty 1-3 ... Charleston Southern's Jay Mills will coach his 100th career game when the Buccaneers head to Presbyterian in Big South action. The Bucs are 43-56 under Mills, but 0-10 this season ... Stephen F. Austin and Northwestern State, both 5-5, aren't just playing for a winning season on Saturday in Natchitoches, La. (as opposed to SFA's Nacogdoches, Texas). The Southland Conference rivals are playing for Chief Caddo, the largest traveling trophy of all the NCAA rivalry games. Standing 7 feet, 6 inches tall and weighing over 320 pounds, the trophy is a wooden carving of the chief of the Native American tribe of the same name, and has been given to the winning team since 1961 ... Harvard has won nine of the last two meetings heading into Saturday's trip to Yale for "The Game". But Yale coach Tom Williams, 0-2 versus Harvard, has done well to shed the mistake of his rookie season in 2009 when he called a fourth-and-22 fake punt from his team's 26-yard line with 2:25 left and it led to the Bulldogs blowing their fourth-quarter lead against the Crimson ... Winner take all: A ticket to the SWAC Championship Game will go to the winner of the Alabama A&M at Prairie View A&M inter-division match- up. Prairie View has won the last six meetings ... There's a terrific battle to be leading tackler in the MEAC. South Carolina State linebacker Donovan Richard has 110, just two more than Howard All-American linebacker Keith Pough ... Lehigh (9-1, 4-0) will shoot for its second straight unbeaten season in the Patriot League when it hosts Lafayette (4-6) in the 147th meeting of college football's most played rivalry ... Holy Cross (5-5) needs a win at Fordham (1-9) to secure a seventh straight winning season ... Bryant's Jordan, with 1,706 rushing yards, is 147 away from surpassing David McCarty's Northeast Conference single-season record of 1,852 in 2008. Bryant will wrap up its season against Central Connecticut State ... The NEC's automatic bid to the playoff will go to Albany (7-3, 6-1) with a win over Sacred Heart (5-5). The Great Danes surely need it because co-leader Duquesne (8-2, 6-1) should beat rival Robert Morris ... How about a winning streak? Valparaiso (1-9), fresh off ending a 29-game losing streak, heads to Davidson (3-7) in its season finale. But the big game in the Pioneer Football League sends Jacksonville (7-3) from one coast to the other to take on San Diego (8-2). The winner will share the league title with Drake (9-2) ... Massachusetts, Texas State, UTSA and South Alabama play their final games on the FCS level on Saturday. Next fall, UMass will join the Mid-American Conference, Texas State and UTSA will be Western Athletic Conference members and South Alabama will play a FBS independent schedule a year before entering the Sun Belt Conference ... Four Southern Conference teams play Southeastern Conference teams on Saturday. The last SoCon win over an SEC team was The Citadel beating Arkansas, 10-3, in 1992. That game helped cost Arkansas coach Jack Crowe, now the Jacksonville State mentor, his job ... Third-ranked SoCon champion Georgia Southern (9-1) received a 25th-place vote in this week's Associated Press FBS Top 25. Yeah, bring on Alabama ... Lastly, get set for the last Great West Conference game. South Dakota (6-4) will visit North Dakota (7-3), with the winner earning a share of the conference crown with Cal Poly.


JUST THE PICKS

Last Week's Record: 43-16 (.729)

Season Record: 530-183 (.743)

X-Predicted Winner

All Times EST

Thursday, Nov. 17

Nicholls State (1-9, 0-6 Southland) at X-Southeastern Louisiana (2-8, 0-6), 8 p.m.

Saturday, Nov. 19

X-No. 11 Maine (8-2, 6-1 CAA) at No. 12 New Hampshire (7-3, 5-2), noon

X-No. 18 Harvard (8-1, 6-0 Ivy) at Yale (5-4, 4-2), noon

X-William & Mary (4-6, 2-5 CAA) at Richmond (3-7, 0-7), noon

Robert Morris (2-8, 2-5 NEC) at X-Duquesne (8-2, 6-1), noon

Central Connecticut State (3-7, 2-5 NEC) at X-Bryant (7-3, 5-2), noon

Wagner (3-7, 3-4 NEC) at X-Monmouth (5-5, 4-3), noon

X-No. 4 Northern Iowa (8-2, 6-1 MVFC) at No. 14 Illinois State (9-1, 6-1), noon

The Citadel (4-6) at X-South Carolina (8-2), noon

Lafayette (4-6, 2-3 Patriot) at X-No. 6 Lehigh (9-1, 5-0), 12:30 p.m.

X-No. 8 Towson (8-2, 6-1 CAA) at Rhode Island (3-7, 2-5), 12:30 p.m.

X-Brown (7-2, 4-2 Ivy) at Columbia (0-9, 0-6), 12:30 p.m.

Samford (6-4) at X-Auburn (6-4), 1 p.m.

X-Cornell (4-5, 2-4 Ivy) at Penn (5-4, 4-2), 1 p.m.

No. 24 Furman (6-4) at X-Florida (5-5), 1 p.m.

Charleston Southern (0-10, 0-5 Big South) at X-Presbyterian (3-7, 2-3), 1 p.m.

X-No. 19 James Madison (6-4, 4-3 CAA) at Massachusetts (5-5, 3-4), 1 p.m.

Morgan State (5-5, 4-3 MEAC) at X-Hampton (6-4, 4-3), 1 p.m.

X-Holy Cross (5-5) at Fordham (1-9), 1 p.m.

X-Butler (5-5, 3-4 Pioneer) at Morehead State (2-8, 1-6), 1 p.m.

Valparaiso (1-9, 1-6 Pioneer) at X-Davidson (3-7, 1-6), 1 p.m.

Sacred Heart (5-5, 3-4 NEC) at X-Albany (7-3, 6-1), 1 p.m.

Missouri State (1-9, 1-6 MVFC) at X-Youngstown State (6-4, 4-3), 1 p.m.

X-Bucknell (6-4, 3-2 Patriot) at Colgate (4-6, 1-4), 1 p.m.

X-Howard (5-5, 4-3 MEAC) at Delaware State (2-8, 0-7), 1 p.m.

UT Martin (5-5, 4-3 OVC) at X-Eastern Kentucky (6-4, 5-2), 1 p.m.

Princeton (1-8, 1-5 Ivy) at X-Dartmouth (4-5, 3-3), 1:30 p.m.

X-Gardner-Webb (4-6, 2-3 Big South) at VMI (1-9, 1-4), 1:30 p.m.

North Carolina Central (2-8, 1-6 MEAC) at X-North Carolina A&T (4-6, 3-4), 1:30 p.m.

X-Murray State (6-4, 4-3 OVC) at Southeast Missouri State (3-7, 2-5), 2 p.m.

X-Coastal Carolina (6-4) at Western Carolina (1-9), 2 p.m.

No. 22 South Dakota (6-4, 2-1 Great West) at X-North Dakota (7-3, 2-1), 2 p.m.

X-No. 13 Wofford (7-3, 5-2 SoCon) at Chattanooga (5-5, 3-4), 2 p.m.

Alcorn State (2-7, 1-7 SWAC) at X-No. 21 Jackson State (8-2, 6-2), 2 p.m.

Campbell (6-4) at X-Georgia State (2-8), 2 p.m.

Minot State (2-7) at X-UTSA (3-6), 2 p.m.

X-South Carolina State (6-4, 5-2 MEAC) at Savannah State (1-9, 1-6), 2 p.m.

X-No. 5 North Dakota State (9-1, 6-1 MEAC) at Western Illinois (2-8, 1-6), 2 p.m.

No. 3 Georgia Southern (9-1) at X-Alabama (9-1), 2 p.m.

No. 7 Montana (8-2, 6-1 Big Sky) at X-No. 1 Montana State (9-1, 7-0), 2:05 p.m.

Southern Illinois (3-7, 1-6 MVFC) at X-Indiana State (6-4, 4-3), 2:05 p.m.

Austin Peay (3-7, 2-5 OVC) at X-No. 23 Tennessee Tech (6-3, 5-2), 2:30 p.m.

Florida A&M (7-3, 5-2 MEAC) vs. X-Bethune-Cookman (7-3, 5-2) at the Florida Citrus Bowl in Orlando, 2:30 p.m.

X-Cal Poly (5-5) at South Alabama (6-3), 3 p.m.

X-No. 9 Appalachian State (7-3, 5-2 SoCon) at Elon (5-5, 3-4), 3 p.m.

X-Jacksonville State (6-4, 5-2 OVC) at Tennessee State (5-5, 4-3), 3 p.m.

X-Alabama A&M (7-3, 6-2 SWAC) at Prairie View A&M (5-5, 5-3), 3 p.m.

Stephen F. Austin (5-5, 4-2 Southland) at X-Northwestern State (5-5, 3-3), 3 p.m.

X-No. 16 Liberty (7-3, 5-0 Big South) at Stony Brook (7-3, 5-0), 3:30 p.m.

X-No. 15 Delaware (6-4, 4-3 CAA) vs. Villanova (2-8, 1-6) at PPL Park in Chester, Pa., 3:30 p.m.

Texas Southern (4-6, 2-6 SWAC) at X-Arkansas-Pine Bluff (5-5, 4-4), 3:30 p.m.

Jacksonville (7-3, 6-1 Pioneer) at X-San Diego (8-2, 6-1), 4 p.m.

X-No. 2 Sam Houston State (10-0) at Texas State (6-5), 4 p.m.

Weber State (4-6, 4-3 Big Sky) at X-No. 25 Portland State (7-3, 5-2), 4:05 p.m.

UC Davis (3-7) at X-Sacramento State (4-6), 5:05 p.m.

X-Eastern Washington (5-5, 4-3 Big Sky) at Idaho State (2-8, 1-6), 6 p.m.

Southern Utah (5-5) at X-Northern Arizona (4-6), 6:05 p.m.

X-McNeese State (5-5, 3-3 Southland) at Lamar (4-6, 2-4), 7 p.m.

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Re: Committee Agonizes Over Final Picks
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2011, 12:32:57 PM »
Message to Craig,

You clueless.  You are not qualifed to do your job.  The TSN is a joke.


I hope that YSU gets a shot against one of your beloved CAA teams.  Give YSU your best CAA team this year and your team would be taken to the woodshed.  CAA is down this year 

I love your CAA favored bracket.  Shove your biased bracket up your a$$.
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Re: Committee Agonizes Over Final Picks
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2011, 01:24:42 PM »
Power,

You really have to marvel at how people that are paid to project this stuff are totally clueless.  I am not knocking this character for his animosity toward us; that is his privilege.  But look closely and you see that his MVFC selections are impossible.  He has Northern Iowa with the #5 seed AND Illinois State in as an at-large selection.  We all know that if Northern Iowa wins, Illinois State is toast (certainly compared to us.)  They will be 7-4 against FCS competition, as compared to our 7-3.  They will have one meaningful win (Indiana State.)  We will have defeated NDSU and them and have one less FCS loss.

Now how come we know this and that writer doesn't?  Prejudice I can handle; stupidity from "authority" figures is intolerable.

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Re: Committee Agonizes Over Final Picks
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2011, 01:27:09 PM »
It's the media's way to make sure that the CAA gets at least 4-picks. At the very least ...more than any other conference. Like all media, assume it has always been this way. Even though many of us know better. YSU was playing MAC schools on a regular basis, back when the MAC was a good conference, and the Yankee/A-10/Colonial teams spent all season justifying their Ivy and Patriot non-conference schedule.

One thing I may point out. The article quotes from the committee outright tell us that the members from teams in consideration are present during discussions; they are just locked out of the vote. The rules specifically state they are NOT to even be present. Cat is out of the bag!!

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Re: Committee Agonizes Over Final Picks
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2011, 01:29:00 PM »
Power,

You really have to marvel at how people that are paid to project this stuff are totally clueless.  I am not knocking this character for his animosity toward us; that is his privilege.  But look closely and you see that his MVFC selections are impossible.  He has Northern Iowa with the #5 seed AND Illinois State in as an at-large selection.  We all know that if Northern Iowa wins, Illinois State is toast (certainly compared to us.)  They will be 7-4 against FCS competition, as compared to our 7-3.  They will have one meaningful win (Indiana State.)  We will have defeated NDSU and them and have one less FCS loss.

Now how come we know this and that writer doesn't?  Prejudice I can handle; stupidity from "authority" figures is intolerable.

I assume he did not look up the head-to-head results?

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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2011, 02:01:54 PM »
It's the media's way to make sure that the CAA gets at least 4-picks. At the very least ...more than any other conference. Like all media, assume it has always been this way. Even though many of us know better. YSU was playing MAC schools on a regular basis, back when the MAC was a good conference, and the Yankee/A-10/Colonial teams spent all season justifying their Ivy and Patriot non-conference schedule.

One thing I may point out. The article quotes from the committee outright tell us that the members from teams in consideration are present during discussions; they are just locked out of the vote. The rules specifically state they are NOT to even be present. Cat is out of the bag!!

It is difficult for me not to personally attack him for his clear level of ignorance.  It is sad that he probably has junior writers under him. They are being taught the wrong way to report. At least do a little research and watch some games if you are going to report on a national basis. He's probably too stuipid to be embarrassed.
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2011, 02:12:03 PM »
simply put as an ACT question:

The CAA is to TSN as the SEC is to ESPN.

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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2011, 02:20:30 PM »
One thing I may point out. The article quotes from the committee outright tell us that the members from teams in consideration are present during discussions; they are just locked out of the vote. The rules specifically state they are NOT to even be present. Cat is out of the bag!!

Fan - what am I missing? - the article talks about the App AD being out of the room for 20 seconds and the Montana AD being out of the room for over an hour.

I don't know how to do double quotes, but here is what it says:




If you don't think the committee members are just like us, consider the first year that Jim O'Day, this year's chair for a second straight year, was a member of the committee, in 2008.

An AD isn't allowed to be in the room when the merits of his school's team are being discussed. The Appalachian State AD was sent from the room for, as O'Day remembers, about 20 seconds.

When O'Day, Montana's AD, stepped into the hallway, he was out there for about an hour. He was sweating bullets the way we would.

"I wondered if they had forgotten me," he looks back with a laugh.

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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2011, 04:54:26 PM »
"We look at everything that's available to us. We look at the polls, we look at the rankings, the ratings, whatever might be available to us. The one valuable thing about sitting together in the room is you have 10 (other) people who are from various parts of the country who might know some things that don't necessarily show on paper. For example, in a certain game, did they miss a key player, did they miss their quarterback, did they miss a running back?"
I sure hope they really are going to this level of detail now, but there is no way they did much research when we should have made the playoffs in 2001 (Marshall game) and 2005 (SIU game).

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Re: Committee Agonizes Over Final Picks
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2011, 05:45:54 PM »
One thing I may point out. The article quotes from the committee outright tell us that the members from teams in consideration are present during discussions; they are just locked out of the vote. The rules specifically state they are NOT to even be present. Cat is out of the bag!!

Fan - what am I missing? - the article talks about the App AD being out of the room for 20 seconds and the Montana AD being out of the room for over an hour.

I don't know how to do double quotes, but here is what it says:




If you don't think the committee members are just like us, consider the first year that Jim O'Day, this year's chair for a second straight year, was a member of the committee, in 2008.

An AD isn't allowed to be in the room when the merits of his school's team are being discussed. The Appalachian State AD was sent from the room for, as O'Day remembers, about 20 seconds.

When O'Day, Montana's AD, stepped into the hallway, he was out there for about an hour. He was sweating bullets the way we would.

"I wondered if they had forgotten me," he looks back with a laugh.

Good catch. I should have read the entire article. I saw the part where it says they are locked out and assumed they were in the room.

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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2011, 10:50:20 PM »
"We look at everything that's available to us. We look at the polls, we look at the rankings, the ratings, whatever might be available to us. The one valuable thing about sitting together in the room is you have 10 (other) people who are from various parts of the country who might know some things that don't necessarily show on paper. For example, in a certain game, did they miss a key player, did they miss their quarterback, did they miss a running back?"
I sure hope they really are going to this level of detail now, but there is no way they did much research when we should have made the playoffs in 2001 (Marshall game) and 2005 (SIU game).

Problem is that we have have no publicity except for a short paragraph that we "Derailed" NDSU and we are not in two of the 3 Polls mentioned.  That was the reason why I think that we are getting screwed out of national attention.  Hopefully is doesn't matter, but all of the data that I have seen in the past 15 years says that we need 9 wins to get in.  The good news is that we beat two ranked teams and one of them was really late in the season, something that hasn't been done here in several years.

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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2011, 10:57:53 PM »
There is already rheteric that they will look at teams with less than 7 Div 1 wins.  The table has been set for the powers to be to bend the rules. My prediction is the CAA and the SouthCon will dominate the picks and we will be left out...even though we played the best an  beat them that will not be enough,,,same old crap different year...I hope i am wrong but the ncaa has never been kind to YSU even when we dominated.
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2011, 11:28:38 PM »
Power,

You really have to marvel at how people that are paid to project this stuff are totally clueless.  I am not knocking this character for his animosity toward us; that is his privilege.  But look closely and you see that his MVFC selections are impossible.  He has Northern Iowa with the #5 seed AND Illinois State in as an at-large selection.  We all know that if Northern Iowa wins, Illinois State is toast (certainly compared to us.)  They will be 7-4 against FCS competition, as compared to our 7-3.  They will have one meaningful win (Indiana State.)  We will have defeated NDSU and them and have one less FCS loss.

Now how come we know this and that writer doesn't?  Prejudice I can handle; stupidity from "authority" figures is intolerable.


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Re: Committee Agonizes Over Final Picks
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2011, 10:44:01 PM »
"We look at everything that's available to us. We look at the polls, we look at the rankings, the ratings, whatever might be available to us. The one valuable thing about sitting together in the room is you have 10 (other) people who are from various parts of the country who might know some things that don't necessarily show on paper. For example, in a certain game, did they miss a key player, did they miss their quarterback, did they miss a running back?"
I sure hope they really are going to this level of detail now, but there is no way they did much research when we should have made the playoffs in 2001 (Marshall game) and 2005 (SIU game).

Problem is that we have have no publicity except for a short paragraph that we "Derailed" NDSU and we are not in two of the 3 Polls mentioned.  That was the reason why I think that we are getting screwed out of national attention.  Hopefully is doesn't matter, but all of the data that I have seen in the past 15 years says that we need 9 wins to get in.  The good news is that we beat two ranked teams and one of them was really late in the season, something that hasn't been done here in several years.


all of the data like 6 teams making the playoffs at 7-4 last year? that data? LOL troll

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Re: Committee Agonizes Over Final Picks
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2011, 11:33:55 PM »
"We look at everything that's available to us. We look at the polls, we look at the rankings, the ratings, whatever might be available to us. The one valuable thing about sitting together in the room is you have 10 (other) people who are from various parts of the country who might know some things that don't necessarily show on paper. For example, in a certain game, did they miss a key player, did they miss their quarterback, did they miss a running back?"
I sure hope they really are going to this level of detail now, but there is no way they did much research when we should have made the playoffs in 2001 (Marshall game) and 2005 (SIU game).

Problem is that we have have no publicity except for a short paragraph that we "Derailed" NDSU and we are not in two of the 3 Polls mentioned.  That was the reason why I think that we are getting screwed out of national attention.  Hopefully is doesn't matter, but all of the data that I have seen in the past 15 years says that we need 9 wins to get in.  The good news is that we beat two ranked teams and one of them was really late in the season, something that hasn't been done here in several years.


all of the data like 6 teams making the playoffs at 7-4 last year? that data? LOL troll


All right genius.  Tell me how many time YSU made it in to the playoffs with 7 or 8 wins per season in the last 15 years.